Passage
Proverbs 8.24
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water. (ASV)Book: Proverbs · NASB95
Immediate context (±2 verses)
ASV
22. Jehovah possessed me in the beginning of his way, Before his works of old. 23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, Before the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth, When there were no fountains abounding with water.
- Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills was I brought forth; 26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world. (Proverbs 8:22-26, ASV)
WEB
22. “Yahweh possessed me in the beginning of his work, before his deeds of old. 23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, before the earth existed.
24. When there were no depths, I was born, when there were no springs abounding with water.
- Before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was born; 26. while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the beginning of the dust of the world. (Proverbs 8:22-26, WEB)
KJV
22. The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
24. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
- Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. fields: or, open places the highest: or, the chief part (Proverbs 8:22-26, KJV)
YLT
22. Jehovah possessed me, the beginning of His way, Before His works since then. 23. From the age I was anointed, from the first, From former states of the earth.
24. In there being no depths, I was brought forth, In there being no fountains heavy [with] waters,
- Before mountains were sunk, Before heights, I was brought forth. 26. While He had not made the earth, and out-places, And the top of the dusts of the world. (Proverbs 8:22-26, YLT)
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Theological reading
Patristic / early-church-father exegesis, to be added.
Key words
Theologically-loaded Greek or Hebrew words in this verse may have entries in the lexicon. Curated to roughly 100 contested terms across the corpus, not every word.
- None of the words in this verse has its own lexicon entry yet.
Quoted in
Arguments and defeaters:
- Anyone Who Affirms Universals Must Affirm God, via Proverbs 8.22-30
- Argument from Intelligibility, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Argument from Mathematical Truth, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Argument from Mathematics (Guillen), via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Argument from the Reality of Mathematical Infinity, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Cumulative Case for the Deity of Christ, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Fifth Way - Teleology, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- God Did Not Create Ex Nihilo Objection Defeater
- Hofweber Internalist Deflationism Objection Defeater, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Mathematics Requires Christian Theism, via Proverbs 8.22-30, Proverbs 8.22-31
Concepts:
- Creatio ex Nihilo
- Laws of the Universe as Witness to Design, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Mathematical Intelligibility of Nature, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Old Testament Christology, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Old Testament Witness to the Deity of Christ, via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Relation (Thomist Metaphysics), via Proverbs 8.22-31
- Two Powers in Heaven, via Proverbs 8.22-31
Notes
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Why these four translations
ris3n chose ASV, WEB, KJV, and YLT for two reasons together. They are the most literal English translations available (formal-equivalence: word-for-word renderings that preserve the Hebrew and Greek grammar rather than smoothing it into modern dynamic-equivalence idiom). And they are in the public domain in the United States, which means fair-use quotation at any length requires no publisher license. Modern licensed translations (NASB95, ESV, NIV) restrict volume of quotation under their copyright terms, so they are not used at stub-level coverage here. NASB95 appears only on hand-curated rich passage hubs under Lockman Foundation's fair-use allowance.
The four:
- ASV (American Standard Version, 1901). The basis of the modern critical-text English tradition.
- WEB (World English Bible, contemporary). Public-domain revision in the ASV line, in current English.
- KJV (King James Version, 1611). Reformation-era, Textus Receptus base.
- YLT (Young's Literal Translation, Robert Young, 1862). Hyper-literal preservation of Hebrew and Greek grammar; useful for word-study work even where English reads stiff.
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