Argument
All-Do-Good World POE Defeater
Intro
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"Heaven proves it can be done. People there are free and they never sin. So why did not God just make a world like that to start with?" This is the modern, philosophically sharpened version of the old "if God is good, why is there evil" objection.
The reply rests on a small distinction with big effects. There are two senses of "make something happen." God can directly cause anything that does not require a free creature, like the laws of physics. But when free creatures are involved, He cannot fully and directly cause their free choices, because the choice has to actually come from them, not from Him. The technical names for the two senses are strong actualization and weak actualization. God strongly actualizes the setting; the creature weakly co-actualizes the free choice inside it.
This means a "heaven now" world is logically possible in the abstract, but God cannot guarantee it as a starting condition. He cannot reach in and make sure every free creature freely chooses the good every time without overriding the freedom that makes it count as love at all. He can offer it, set the conditions, and grow people into it, but He cannot strong-arm them there.
So heaven is not a counterexample to the free will defense. It is the outcome of the defense. It is the world that emerges after creatures have, through trial, redemption, and grace, become the kind of beings who freely will only the good. God did not skip the road because the road is part of how those beings come into existence.
Quick reply line: "God can set the stage. He cannot force a free choice and have it still count as free. Heaven is where the road ends, not where it can start."
In full
A modal-polished version of Mackie's 1955 logical Problem of Evil has become the central deployment of philosophically-literate atheist debaters (paradigmatically Jack Angstreich in his Moshi-debate corpus). The argument runs: "God's omnipotence is the capacity to actualize any logically possible state of affairs; a world in which significantly free creatures always freely choose the good is a logically possible state of affairs (heaven is the proof of concept); therefore God could have actualized that world, and his failure to do so is incompatible with his omnibenevolence." This page is structured as debate prep for live engagement with that specific deployment. It does not replace Problem of Evil, Free Will Defense, which contains the master defense, but rather supplies per-premise rebuttals tailored to the atheist's polished modal form, the brute-contingency pin against libertarian free will, and the compatibilism trap. The single most important live-debate move is distinguishing strong actualization from weak actualization: God's omnipotence does not include the power to strongly actualize states of affairs containing creaturely free choices, because such states are weakly actualized via counterfactuals of creaturely freedom (CCFs) which God does not directly control. Once that distinction lands, the argument collapses. Companion to Problem of Evil, Free Will Defense (master), Skeptical Theism (evidential-POE companion), and Free Will Argument from Love (libertarian-freedom positive case).
Argument structure
The atheist's argument (Angstreich's modal-polished form of Mackie):
| # | Premise |
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| A1 | God's omnipotence = capacity to actualize any logically possible state of affairs. |
| A2 | A world in which significantly free creatures always freely choose the good is a logically possible state of affairs (heaven is the proof of concept). |
| A3 | If God could have actualized such a world and is omnibenevolent, He would have. |
| AC | Therefore the actual world's containing evil is incompatible with God's existence as classically conceived. |
The Christian defense:
| # | Premise |
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| D1 | Omnipotence is the capacity to strongly actualize any logically possible intrinsic state of affairs, not the capacity to strongly actualize states of affairs whose obtaining requires creaturely free choices. |
| D2 | Worlds containing significantly free creatures who always freely choose the good are weakly actualizable only, God can set up the circumstances, but the obtaining of the world's good-content depends on counterfactuals of creaturely freedom (CCFs) that God does not control. |
| D3 | It is possible that for every significantly-free creaturely essence, there is at least one circumstance in which that essence would freely choose evil (Plantinga's transworld depravity, coherent as a modal possibility, not asserted as actual). |
| D4 | Therefore it is possible that no feasible world of significantly-free creatures is sin-free, even with God omnipotent and omnibenevolent. |
| DC | The argument's A1-A2-A3 chain does not entail AC. The all-do-good world's logical possibility does not entail its feasibility for God. |
Form
Defensive / possibility-based (modal); reductio against opponent's equivocation on "actualize." The defense does not claim transworld depravity is actually true, only that it is possibly true. Modal possibility suffices to defeat the logical-impossibility claim Mackie originally made and Angstreich modernizes. The defense exposes a critical equivocation in A1: it conflates strong actualization (God directly brings about) with the generic capacity-to-actualize (which for free-creaturely worlds is weak, God sets up circumstances, creatures freely choose). Mackie himself conceded the defense's success in The Miracle of Theism (1982); Angstreich's modal polish does not revive the logical POE, it merely restates it more carefully and is defeated by the same Plantinga apparatus.
D1, Omnipotence: strong vs weak actualization
Affirmative case (second-order arguments)
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The classical doctrine of omnipotence has always required logical coherence. Aquinas (ST I q. 25 a. 3): God's omnipotence is the capacity to do whatever does not involve contradiction. Anselm, Augustine, and the entire scholastic tradition concur. The atheist who frames omnipotence as bare "any logically possible state of affairs" needs to acknowledge that the coherence of the state of affairs given the kinds of entities involved is part of the logical-possibility analysis. A world in which God strongly actualizes a free creaturely choice is incoherent in the same way as a four-sided triangle: the "free" part rules out the "strongly-actualized-by-another-agent" part.
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Plantinga's strong-vs-weak distinction is foundational, not novel. Plantinga (Nature of Necessity, 1974, §9.5) gives the canonical formulation: God strongly actualizes S = God brings about S directly; God weakly actualizes S = God strongly actualizes some state of affairs S* such that S obtains as a consequence (via creaturely free choices God did not directly cause). Worlds containing creaturely free actions can only be weakly actualized, even by an omnipotent God, because the free-action component is constitutively not God's doing.
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The distinction is intuitive once stated. If God can make you freely choose chocolate, then your choice was not free; if it was free, then God did not make you choose it. "Making someone freely choose X" is logical-grammatical nonsense ("forced free choice"). The atheist's A1, applied to free-creaturely worlds, requires logical-grammatical nonsense. The defense exposes the nonsense; the atheist must either retract A1 or commit to nonsense.
Anticipated objections
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"This is just verbal trickery, God could still arrange the circumstances so the free choices all go right." The atheist refines: God doesn't have to force the choices, He just has to set up the world so the choices happen to all go right.
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"You're stipulating that 'omnipotence' has a restricted meaning that conveniently saves theism." The definitional-rigging charge.
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"What about Frankfurt-style examples, God could be a backup mechanism that only intervenes if the creature is about to choose evil?" A more sophisticated objection from contemporary action theory.
Rebuttals
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"Arranging circumstances so all choices go right" is precisely weak actualization, and it requires controlling the counterfactuals of creaturely freedom, which is the contested move. Once the atheist concedes that the divine action is circumstance-setting rather than choice-causing, they have conceded the strong-vs-weak distinction. The remaining question, "can God set up circumstances such that all free choices in fact go right?", depends on what the CCFs are. Plantinga's transworld depravity hypothesis (D3 below) is precisely the modal possibility that for every creaturely essence, no circumstance-set yields uniformly-good free choices. The atheist's refined objection is no longer a logical objection, it is an empirical / probabilistic claim about what CCFs in fact obtain. That shifts to the evidential POE, where different rebuttals (skeptical theism, soul-making, Christological theodicy) take over. Failure mode: confusing logical with evidential POE.
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The restricted meaning is the historical meaning, not a recent dodge. Aquinas, Anselm, Augustine, Maimonides, and Avicenna all defined omnipotence as power-over-what-is-doable. The classical theist position has never required God to be capable of contradictions. The atheist who insists on the unrestricted reading is appealing to a folk concept of omnipotence ("can God do anything?") that no major theistic philosopher has ever held. The folk concept is a strawman. Failure mode: imposing folk omnipotence on classical theism.
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Frankfurt-style "backup-mechanism" worlds collapse into either compatibilism or non-libertarian freedom. In a genuine Frankfurt case, the agent's actual choice is not causally affected by the backup mechanism, but the possibility of choosing otherwise is removed. Philosophers of action are divided on whether such cases preserve libertarian responsibility (Frankfurt's original claim) or whether they actually require compatibilism (the Widerker / Kane objection). The defense doesn't need to resolve this, it needs only to note that Frankfurt-style proposals are contested in the action-theory literature, not a clean knockdown. If the atheist deploys Frankfurt cases, they have entered a technical action-theory dispute, not a logical-POE refutation. Failure mode: outsourcing the argument to a contested action-theory thesis.
Live-cite kit
- Scripture: James 1:13 ("God tempts no one", God does not actively bring about evil choices); Genesis 1.27 (imago Dei = significantly-free creaturely capacity); Deuteronomy 30.19 ("I have set before you life and death... choose life", God presents the choice; the creature chooses).
- Scholarly: Plantinga (Nature of Necessity, 1974, §9.5, strong vs weak actualization); Plantinga (God, Freedom, and Evil, 1974, ch. I §9, defense form); Aquinas (ST I q. 25 a. 3, omnipotence restricted to non-contradictory action); Flint (Divine Providence: The Molinist Account, 1998, ch. 2-3, weak actualization formalized).
- Aphorism: "Making someone freely choose X is in the same impossibility class as a four-sided triangle."
Tactical notes
- Lead with the strong-vs-weak distinction immediately. Most popular-level apologetic engagements never reach this point because the Christian apologist tries to defend A1 as stated. The right move is to refuse A1 as a careless characterization of omnipotence, and supply the more careful version (D1). This re-roots the entire argument in the Plantinga apparatus, where the existing defense applies.
- The "make someone freely choose" line is the killer aphorism. Use it. The audience hears the absurdity.
- What NOT to do live: defend the bare logical possibility of an all-do-good world. The Christian theologian grants that possibility (Plantinga grants it). The defense is at the feasibility step, not the possibility step. Granting possibility while denying feasibility is the dialectical heart of the defense; conflating them concedes the argument.
D2, Free-creaturely worlds are weakly actualizable only
Affirmative case (second-order arguments)
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The metaphysics of free choice precludes strong actualization. A "significantly free" choice is, by definition, a choice not necessitated by causal antecedents external to the agent. If God strongly actualizes the choice, it is necessitated by an external causal antecedent (God's volition), and is therefore not free. The two predicates ("free" and "strongly actualized by God") are jointly inconsistent. This is not a contingent restriction on God's power; it is a logical-grammatical restriction on the meaningful application of the concepts.
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Counterfactuals of creaturely freedom (CCFs) carry the metaphysical load. Under Molinism and similar middle-knowledge accounts (Luis de Molina 1588; Flint 1998; Craig 1987), God knows for each creaturely essence the counterfactual: if creature C were placed in circumstance S, C would freely do X. God's choice of which circumstances to instantiate is the mechanism of weak actualization, God controls which free-creaturely actions get realized by choosing which circumstances obtain. But God does not control the CCFs themselves, those are facts about what the creature would freely do, grounded in the creaturely essence.
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Open Theism over-determines the defense. If counterfactuals of creaturely freedom are incoherent (William Hasker 1989; some Reformed critics), then the Open Theist alternative blocks the all-do-good objection differently: God doesn't know in advance how free creatures will choose, because there is no future-tensed fact to know. God permits the world of free creatures and meets it as it unfolds. The all-do-good world is not a world God could foresee and actualize from creation; it would require continuous corrective intervention that violates the freedom-condition. Either way (Molinist CCFs or Open Theist not-yet-fact), strong actualization of free-creaturely worlds is excluded.
Anticipated objections
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"The grounding objection to Molinism: what makes CCFs true?" Jack Angstreich explicitly names this. If CCFs have no truthmaker, they're not true, and the Molinist machinery collapses.
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"Even granting CCFs, God could have chosen to instantiate only the essences with all-good CCFs." If God knows the CCFs, He can pre-select.
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"Heaven is the existence proof that an all-do-good world is feasible, so transworld depravity is empirically refuted." Jack's deployment of the heaven counterexample.
Rebuttals
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The grounding objection is contested but not decisive, and the defense is over-determined. Multiple grounding accounts have been proposed: creaturely-essence-properties as truthmakers (Flint Divine Providence ch. 5; Freddoso); divine-omniscience-of-modal-truths (Plantinga); subjunctive-conditional-primitivism (Adams). The grounding objection is a live philosophical dispute, not a closed case. Even if it succeeded, the defense has Open Theism as backup (no CCFs needed, God simply doesn't know future free choices in advance). The atheist must defeat both the Molinist defense and the Open Theist defense to defeat the Free Will Defense. No atheist has done so. Failure mode: targeting one Christian metaphysical package while ignoring the alternatives.
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The "pre-select essences with all-good CCFs" objection assumes there are such essences, which is precisely what transworld depravity denies. Plantinga's hypothesis is that it is possible that for every significantly-free creaturely essence, at least one circumstance yields a free evil choice. If TWD is possible (it has not been refuted), then no selection of essences yields a sin-free world. The objection presupposes the defense is wrong; it does not argue the defense is wrong. Failure mode: question-begging.
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Heaven is not the existence proof Angstreich claims, heaven is path-dependent on prior creaturely formation. Christian theology has always held that heaven is the consummated state of moral formation, what Aquinas (ST I-II q. 5 a. 4) calls non posse peccare (the inability to sin, consequent on beatific vision) rather than posse non peccare (the ability not to sin, characteristic of pre-fall humanity). Heaven's inhabitants are confirmed-in-good through prior earthly trial; they are not creatures who started in heaven. Augustine (De Civitate Dei XXII.30), Aquinas, and the entire scholastic tradition are uniform on this. Heaven proves that a sin-free consummated state of free creatures is possible, it does not prove that a sin-free initial state of free creatures is possible. These are different modal claims. Angstreich's heaven counterexample equivocates between them. Failure mode: equating consummated freedom with initial freedom.
Live-cite kit
- Scripture: Romans 8:28-30 (predestination as God's foreknown response to free agents; God works through, not around, creaturely freedom); 1 Corinthians 13:9-12 ("now we see in a mirror dimly... then we shall see face to face", eschatological consummation as the climactic moral-epistemic state, not the initial); Revelation 21:4-5 ("behold I make all things new", heaven as renewed-consummated, not initial-created).
- Scholarly: Plantinga (God, Freedom, and Evil §I.9); Flint (Divine Providence: The Molinist Account, 1998, esp. ch. 5 on grounding); Freddoso (intro to translation of On Divine Foreknowledge, 1988); Hasker (God, Time, and Knowledge, 1989, Open Theism); Aquinas (ST I-II q. 5 a. 4 on beatific vision and non posse peccare); Augustine (De Civitate Dei XXII.30).
- Aphorism: "Heaven is the destination, not the starting point, the all-do-good world is the destination."
Tactical notes
- The heaven-equivocation reply is the most important single tactical move on this premise. Most apologetic engagements lose at this step because the apologist agrees with Angstreich's heaven-counterexample framing. The right move is to agree heaven exists while refusing the inferential leap from consummated-freedom to initial-freedom. The path-dependence framing (Aquinas; Hick's soul-making) does the work.
- Don't get bogged down in the grounding-objection literature live. It is a deep and active dispute, citing Flint or Freddoso is enough to show the defense has substance. Pursuing the technicalities will lose the audience.
- Force-commit move: "Are you arguing the logical POE (impossible for God + evil) or the evidential POE (improbable for God given the actual evil)? Because Plantinga's defense answered the logical POE, Mackie himself conceded it in 1982. If you're arguing the evidential POE, that's a different argument requiring a different defense (Skeptical Theism, Hick Soul-Making Theodicy)."
D3, Transworld depravity is coherently possible
Affirmative case (second-order arguments)
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The defense requires only modal possibility, not actuality. Plantinga does not argue that transworld depravity is true. He argues that it is coherent, that the proposition "for every significantly-free creaturely essence, there is at least one circumstance in which that essence would freely sin" is not self-contradictory. Coherence is sufficient to defeat the logical-impossibility claim of Mackie / Angstreich.
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Empirical fallenness is consistent with TWD. Every observed society of free creatures has contained moral evil. This does not prove TWD; it does mean the hypothesis is empirically open. Romans 3:23 ("all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God") is the textual locus of the Christian's empirical claim that universal moral fallenness obtains in the actual world.
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The defense is over-determined modally. Even if TWD is false in some possible worlds, Plantinga's defense requires only that it be possible, i.e., true in at least one possible world. This is an extraordinarily weak modal claim. Defeating it requires showing TWD is necessarily false, which no atheist philosopher has accomplished.
Anticipated objections
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"Transworld depravity is wildly implausible." Even if logically possible, it strains credulity that every creaturely essence would freely sin in some circumstance.
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"What about creatures God hasn't created yet? Couldn't there be a non-TWD essence among them?" A modal-existence quantifier challenge.
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"This makes God look helpless, bound by the creaturely essences He didn't choose." The divine-sovereignty objection.
Rebuttals
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Implausibility is not impossibility, and the defense's bar is possibility. The atheist who retreats to "implausibility" has conceded the logical POE has failed and is now arguing the evidential POE, where different rebuttals apply (skeptical theism: we are not in a cognitive position to judge probabilities over creaturely essences; soul-making: even apparently-gratuitous moral evil can serve character-formation). Failure mode: confusing implausibility with impossibility.
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Creaturely essences are not God's choice, they are conceptual possibilities God either instantiates or doesn't. Plantinga's view (and the standard Molinist view) is that creaturely essences are abstract objects whose properties are not under God's control. God knows the CCFs for each essence; God chooses which essences to instantiate; God does not choose what the essences are. The objection assumes God creates creaturely natures from nothing, which conflates instantiation with constitution. Failure mode: misunderstanding the metaphysics of creaturely essence.
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The "helpless God" framing imposes a non-classical view of sovereignty. Classical theism has never held that God's sovereignty entails control over abstract objects (numbers, logical truths, possible worlds, creaturely essences). God's sovereignty is over the actual, over what is instantiated. This is the classical doctrine of divine aseity (see Aseity) and the eternal-ideas-in-God-as-archetypes view (Augustine, Aquinas). The objection imports a voluntarist conception of divine sovereignty (Descartes, Ockham) that most classical theists have explicitly rejected. Failure mode: assuming voluntarist sovereignty as the default.
Live-cite kit
- Scripture: Romans 3.23 ("all have sinned"); Romans 5.12 ("through one man sin entered the world... and so death spread to all men"); Genesis 6:5 ("every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually").
- Scholarly: Plantinga (Nature of Necessity, 1974, §9.4, transworld depravity); Plantinga (God, Freedom, and Evil, 1974, pp. 44-53); Mackie's concession (The Miracle of Theism, 1982, p. 154); Howard-Snyder & O'Leary-Hawthorne ("Transworld Sanctity and Plantinga's Free Will Defense," International Journal for Philosophy of Religion 1998, discusses limits).
- Aphorism: "Plantinga doesn't say transworld depravity is true. He says it's not contradictory, and that's enough."
Tactical notes
- The modal-possibility framing is the defense's strength. Restate it explicitly: "I am not claiming transworld depravity is true. I am claiming it is possibly true, and possibility is enough to defeat the logical-impossibility claim."
- Mackie's concession is the strongest single citation. "Mackie, the architect of the modern logical POE, conceded in The Miracle of Theism that Plantinga's defense succeeded. The dialectic has moved to the evidential POE." This forces the opponent to either dispute Mackie (which they can't, the text is explicit) or to admit the logical POE has been answered.
D4, Therefore the all-do-good world's logical possibility does not entail its feasibility for God
Affirmative case (second-order arguments)
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The conjunction D1-D2-D3 yields D4 by direct modal-logical inference. If omnipotence is restricted to non-contradictory action (D1), and free-creaturely worlds are weakly actualizable only (D2), and transworld depravity is a coherent modal possibility (D3), then it follows by elementary modal logic that the all-do-good world may be logically possible (some world contains it) while being infeasible for God (no world God can weakly actualize contains it). The atheist's A1-A2-A3 chain ignores this distinction.
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Feasibility, not bare logical possibility, is the relevant modal predicate. Plantinga's terminology: a possible world W is feasible for God iff the CCFs that obtain are such that God can weakly actualize W. Some possible worlds are not feasible for God (those whose CCFs God cannot bring about by setting circumstances). The all-do-good world is possibly not feasible, and that possibility is sufficient to break A1-A2-A3-AC.
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The defense's over-determination via Open Theism reinforces the conclusion. Even if Molinism is false (CCFs are incoherent), Open Theism gives a different reason for the same conclusion: God doesn't know future free choices in advance, so couldn't pre-construct an all-do-good world. The conclusion D4 holds under both Christian metaphysical packages.
Anticipated objections
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"You've just relabeled 'possible-for-God' as 'feasible', that's a verbal trick." The terminological-rigging charge.
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"This makes God's omnipotence look weirdly conditional, it depends on what creatures would do, which God doesn't control." The substantive-doctrine objection.
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"Even granted feasibility, why didn't God just not create the depraved essences?" The selection-objection revival.
Rebuttals
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The strong-vs-weak distinction is not relabeling, it is the analysis of what 'possible-for-God' actually means for states-of-affairs-containing-free-choices. The atheist who calls this verbal trickery has not engaged the metaphysics: the question what does it mean to actualize a state of affairs containing a free choice requires an answer, and the strong-vs-weak distinction is the answer. If the atheist proposes an alternative analysis, let them give it, but they cannot wave the question off as terminological. Failure mode: dismissing metaphysics as semantics.
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Conditional omnipotence is the classical view. Aquinas (ST I q. 25 a. 3) explicitly restricts omnipotence to the non-contradictory; the conditional structure (God can do anything that is doable given the kinds of entities involved) is classical theism's default. The atheist's "weird" objection presupposes the voluntarist conception of omnipotence (Descartes, Ockham) as the default, but that is itself a minority view in the Christian tradition. Failure mode: imposing voluntarist omnipotence on classical theism.
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The "selection" objection assumes the existence of non-depraved essences, which TWD denies as a modal possibility. If for every significantly-free essence there is at least one circumstance yielding free evil choice, then no selection of essences gives a sin-free world. The objection assumes there are selectable non-depraved essences; the defense's possibility-claim denies this. The objection begs the question. Failure mode: presupposing the defense's possibility-claim is false.
Live-cite kit
- Scripture: 2 Timothy 2:13 ("if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself"), God's omnipotence is restricted by God's nature, classical scope; Numbers 23:19 (God's faithfulness as constitutive).
- Scholarly: Plantinga (God, Freedom, and Evil, 1974, the consolidated argument); Flint (Divine Providence: The Molinist Account, 1998, the modal apparatus); Mackie (The Miracle of Theism, 1982, concession at ch. 9); Aquinas (ST I q. 25 a. 3, restricted omnipotence).
- Aphorism: "Logical possibility says the world could exist; feasibility says God could bring it about. Plantinga's defense lives in the gap."
Tactical notes
- The summarized conclusion is the close: "So the argument has been: yes, an all-do-good world is logically possible; no, that doesn't entail God could have brought it about; God's omnipotence is power over the doable, free creatures introduce the question of feasibility-given-CCFs, and the defense requires only the possibility, not the actuality, of universal transworld depravity. Mackie conceded in 1982 that this defense defeated the logical POE. If you have a substantive disagreement with Mackie's concession, let's hear it. Otherwise, the dialectic has moved to the evidential POE, and that's a different debate."
The brute-contingency pin (Angstreich's secondary move)
Angstreich's secondary attack: when the Christian replies "God can't guarantee the free choices," Jack pins LFW on either of two horns:
| Horn | Charge | Christian reply |
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| Brute contingency | LFW choices have no causal explanation; "freedom" = randomness | Agent causation: choices are grounded in the agent (substantial self with intellect-will-character) without being determined by external antecedent conditions. Neither determined nor random. (Chisholm; Goetz; O'Connor; Clarke; Hasker; Lowe.) |
| Compatibilism | If choices ARE explained (desires + character), God could engineer them | This horn is only relevant to compatibilist Christians (Calvinism / Reformed compatibilism); the LFW Christian rejects the antecedent. Compatibilists answer via the moral-formation-through-creaturely-encounter line. |
The pin presupposes the dichotomy random or determined. Agent causation is a third option, contested in action theory but live. The defense doesn't need to win the action-theory debate, only to show the dichotomy is not exhaustive.
Suggested deployment
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"Your dichotomy assumes choices are either determined by external antecedents or random. There is a third option: agent causation. The agent, the substantial self with intellect, will, and character, is the causal originator of the choice. The choice is grounded in the agent without being determined by anything external to the agent. This is the position of Chisholm, Goetz, O'Connor, and the contemporary libertarian action-theory literature. If you want to claim agent causation is incoherent, that's an argument you'd have to make, and the literature does not regard it as closed."
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See Libertarian Free Will (build-candidate) for the dedicated hub. For now, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entries on "Agent Causation" (Timothy O'Connor) and "Incompatibilism: Arguments for" are useful primary cites.
Master objections to the whole argument
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"This is all just Plantinga warmed over, it doesn't address my modal-polished version." Reply: Plantinga's framework does address the modal-polished version, because Plantinga's framework is itself a modal account. The strong-vs-weak distinction, transworld depravity, and the over-determination via Molinism + Open Theism are the core of the Free Will Defense. Restating Mackie's challenge in cleaner modal language doesn't escape the apparatus that handles Mackie's challenge.
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"The grounding objection to Molinism still stands." Reply: granted that the grounding objection is live, it is. But (a) the Molinist literature has direct responses (Flint, Freddoso, Plantinga); (b) Open Theism doesn't need CCFs at all and gives an alternative path to the same defense; (c) the possibility of either framework being correct is enough, the defense is modally over-determined. The atheist must defeat both the Molinist apparatus and the Open Theist alternative simultaneously to defeat the Free Will Defense. No one has done so.
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"Heaven proves an all-do-good free world is feasible." Reply: heaven proves a consummated state of free creatures is sin-free. Path-dependence on prior earthly moral formation is the classical view (Aquinas, Augustine, Hick's soul-making). The argument equivocates between consummated and initial freedom. They are different modal states.
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"The defense saves God's existence at the cost of making Him less than omnipotent." Reply: God's omnipotence has always been classical-restricted (power over the doable, not the contradictory). The atheist imposes a voluntarist / folk-omnipotence view on classical theism. Aquinas, Anselm, Augustine all explicitly affirm the restriction; the defense is in the classical mainstream, not a recent dodge.
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"Even granted the defense, the actual amount of evil is still incompatible with God." Reply: that is the evidential POE, a different argument requiring different replies. Skeptical Theism, Hick Soul-Making Theodicy, Greater-Good Theodicies, the Christological theodicy (cross-incarnational entry into suffering) are the relevant responses. The Free Will Defense was always only the answer to the logical POE. Granting the move to evidential ground is conceding the defense has done its work.
Tactical opening / closing
Opening line: "Before we go further, are you arguing the logical problem of evil (it's impossible for God to coexist with evil) or the evidential problem of evil (it's improbable given the actual evil)? Because Mackie, who wrote the original logical-POE paper in 1955, conceded in 1982 that Plantinga's defense defeated his argument. So if you're arguing the logical version, I'll explain why; if you're arguing the evidential, the responses are different. Which is it?"
Force-commit move (when opponent waffles): "Either an all-do-good world is logically impossible for God (which you're not claiming, you grant it's logically possible) or it's feasibly impossible for God given the counterfactuals of creaturely freedom (which is exactly what the defense argues). Which alternative are you taking? If neither, then your argument doesn't follow."
Closing landing strip: "The defense doesn't claim it has the theodicy, the full explanation of why God permits each particular evil. It claims the logical impossibility charge has failed. That charge has failed since 1974, and Mackie himself acknowledged it. The remaining work is the evidential problem of evil, where skeptical theism and the various theodicy traditions take over. The Free Will Defense has done its job: the conjunction God + evil is not a contradiction."
Live-cite kit (consolidated)
- Scripture: Genesis 1.27 (imago Dei); Deuteronomy 30.19 (choose); Romans 3:23 (universal sin); James 1:13 (God tempts none); Aquinas's exegesis of God's nature in ST I qq. 19-25.
- Scholarly, Plantinga apparatus: God, Freedom, and Evil (1974); The Nature of Necessity (1974, §9); Warranted Christian Belief (2000).
- Scholarly, Mackie concession: The Miracle of Theism (1982, ch. 9, p. 154).
- Scholarly, Molinist apparatus: Flint, Divine Providence: The Molinist Account (1998); Freddoso, intro to Molina's On Divine Foreknowledge (1988); Adams, "Middle Knowledge and the Problem of Evil" (APQ 1977).
- Scholarly, Open Theist alternative: Hasker, God, Time, and Knowledge (1989); Pinnock et al., The Openness of God (1994).
- Scholarly, agent causation (for the brute-contingency horn): Chisholm, "Human Freedom and the Self" (1964); O'Connor, Persons and Causes (2000); Goetz, Freedom, Teleology, and Evil (2008).
- Aphorism: "Possibility defeats impossibility. The defense is modest by design, and modesty wins this argument."
Connection to codex
- Companion: Problem of Evil, Free Will Defense, the master Free Will Defense syllogism; this defeater is the Angstreich-specific debate-prep deployment.
- Master concept hub: Problem of Evil, situates the defense within the broader theodicy / defense landscape.
- Entity: Jack Angstreich, the deployer; see his entity hub for the full tactical-engagement notes.
- Adjacent: Skeptical Theism (evidential-POE companion); Hick Soul-Making Theodicy (theodicy companion); Evil as Privation of Good (metaphysics of evil); Free Will and Determinism (intra-Christian dispute); Molinism (the grounding-objection literature); Free Will Argument from Love (positive case for LFW).
- Build candidates: J.L. Mackie (entity hub for the architect of the logical POE, currently held as plain text per ghost-discipline; convert to wikilink once the entity hub is built).
See also
- Problem of Evil, Free Will Defense, master defense
- Problem of Evil, concept hub
- Jack Angstreich, atheist debater
- Sye Ten Bruggencate vs Jack Angstreich - Determinism Debate (Godless Girl 2026), companion debate source
- Jack Angstreich vs Moshi - Logical Possibility All-Do-Good Debate (Tom Rabbittt 2026), primary debate source
- Skeptical Theism, evidential-POE companion
- Free Will and Determinism, intra-Christian dispute
- Molinism, middle-knowledge framework
- Free Will Argument from Love, positive case for libertarian freedom
- Arguments, master index